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Can She Leave Him?


She had read all the books, seen the counselor, been to the retreats and tried her best.

Yes, she had prayed. Yes, she had cried. Yes.

He still drank, womanized, was financially irresponsible, or whatever, but she felt scared and unloved and hurt.

She hurt.

What most men fail to realize is that most women want to leave to escape the pain. She does not want to leave because she doesn’t love him. She does not want to leave because she doesn’t like him.

She wants to stop hurting – either at his hand, or from his words, or by his lack of responsible adult behavior – it hurts her. And she’s hurt for too long. She does not think she can go on any longer.

So can she leave?

Ultimately, the bottom-line is that we have free choice and literally can do whatever we want to do.

Whether we divorce or not, however, often comes down to one relationship – the one we have with God.

1 John 2:3-5 (NIV) tells us: We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

John 14:15 (NIV) Jesus says: If you love me, you will obey what I command.

In other words, if we know Him, if we love Him, we do what He says. So what does the Bible say about marriage and divorce?

Matthew 5:32 (NIV) (Jesus speaking): But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:3-9 (NIV) Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

And if we DO divorce?

1 Corinthians 7:10-12 (NIV) To the rest I say this (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.

But I married an unbeliever…

1 Corinthians 7:13-15 (ESV) And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

And if I’m widowed?

Romans 7:2 (ESV) For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.

What does God think about divorce?

Malachi 2:16 (NIV) “I hate divorce,” says the LORD God of Israel, “and I hate a man’s covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,” says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.

God views marriage as a covenant, a vow, between Him and his people. There are a ton of reasons to not divorce, and it seems that if our unbelieving husband leaves us, we are freed from responsibility, or if our unbelieving husband is unwilling to live with us (which some say is represented by abuse or negligent behavior – and others say it is not), then we are allowed to divorce. We are also allowed to divorce if our husband commits adultery, which can also include pornography addiction, according to Christ. Remember, however, that Christ said it is the hardness of our hearts for which these things were allowed. It is God’s heart for us to not break the vow with Him, however, unless we want to come under condemnation. He has made an alotment because of adultery and our husband’s unbelief.  Know that doesn’t make it easy, however, even if we  do divorce.

For a more detailed discussion, please read Family Life Ministry’s Dennis Rainey article. Pay attention to the description one woman gives of her divorce – I don’t know anyone who has divorced who hasn’t said similar things (or their kids have)…

Know also, that even though it says you shouldn’t leave in 1 Corinthians 7:11, if you do, it is for the purpose of restoration.

Also, remember God’s purposes for our lives in 1 Corinthians 7:16 (ESV) How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

You may be the only Jesus your husband ever sees.

And this life will be filled with troubles – the goal is not happiness, but joy in the midst of difficulty.  And, boy, this is super hard, especially when you are in a painful marriage.

And if you ARE considering divorce, please consider Matthew 18 first.  And please be in tight communion with God – so you do what is right in His eyes and have His strength to get through it.

Love to you,

~Nina

What about you? Have I missed anything? How does this issue impact you right now?


What We Haven’t Been Taught…

In honor of the abundant life Christ came to earth to grace us with, I’ve put up a post that may seem like a gift to some. It’s a bit of truth that we have never seen anyone else write about, but one that brings life to His people. I may take some hits for this, but feel led to put it up anyway.

It flies in the face of a lot of what we’ve been taught as women, by the church.

It is not, however, in disagreement with anything, however. And it is rooted in His Word.

I do ask that you pray about this instead of taking any action. It’s about what to do when your husband is sinning.

Spend today and tomorrow making memories with your family. Dwell and be still and know Him – but no action. He’ll show you what, if anything, to do with it.

Here’s the link.

So very glad we are on the journey together!

Merry Christmas! For unto us a Child is born.

~Nina

My Husband’s Sin – What do I do?

**If you aren’t married, or don’t have a husband struggling with pornography, you may want to skip this one, as it might offend you. Not that it’s graphic, but it’s not a fun topic, and just the thought of it offends some women. In response to the ladies who are struggling in this area, I’m writing at their request. The pain of this sin deeply wounds many women – and it is a real struggle for men with their visual natures and physical drives. It’s also becoming a struggle for wives, although I’m speaking to the majority of wives whose husbands are involved. The Focus website below has resources for wives as well.**

She sat on the couch and cried. I handed her tissues, and used a few myself.

Sometimes, being a good friend means, “helping your friend cry,” as my daughter puts it.

Then she asked me the question I knew was coming eventually.

“What should I do?”

I have been a follower long enough to know that sometimes, God leads us through others, and confirms with His Word. He always confirms with His Word.

The thing we have to be OH SO VERY CAREFUL about, however, is thinking WE know what others should do in their circumstances. We avoid giving advice in our ministry, and instead focus on praying with others to help them hear His voice, and staying out of His way. The Bible is a living document, meaning it can seem to contradict itself, but in actuality, if you have a real relationship with the Creator, it becomes something seriously more than a book of advice and ancient stories.

I had all of that in mind as I responded to her.

I prayed.

I let her know first that I understood, that it must be so hard for her – he had, after all, committed adultery (Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.) And I reminded her that this was her husband’s sin, that it wasn’t her fault.

And I sat and helped her cry.

And I shared with her His Word.

Her choices, if I remembered them, were as follows:

  1. Option 1: Leave him. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
    To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife. The “but if she does” part indicates that he knows this will occur sometimes, and the purpose is to reconcile their differences.  Be careful – don’t take this lightly…and only follow through if you feel led here, but know that God might ask you to leave your husband for a time.  I’ve seen women do this – one recently, weeping because she didn’t want to, but felt led, and so she did.  And God used it to get her husband’s attention – know that if you go because YOU are trying to get his attention and you do not feel led, you might be stepping outside of God’s will.
  2. Option 2: Divorce him. Matthew 19:3-9 3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” So yes, God still hates divorce, but He knows some will have hearts that are hard enough to do that. He understands how painful and heart-hardening adultery is.  BTW, we have not had a woman yet tell us she felt God leading her to divorce her husband, and that He confirmed it with His Word.  Separate, yes, divorce, not yet.  
  3. Option 3: With-hold sex until he stops as a punishment. Um, I don’t have a Biblical reference for this one, but I’ve seen wives do this. I’ve also never seen it be of any help, unless the couple is abstaining for the purpose of prayer and healing. It is clear from the Word that “lack of self-control” is an issue that can be helped by intimacy: 1 Corinthians 7:1-40 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. …
  4. Option 4: Ignore it and maybe it will go away. Well, maybe. If it’s the first time he’s done it, or if it is something that seldom occurs, this verse may apply here: Proverbs 12:16 A fool shows his annoyance the same day, but one who overlooks an insult is prudent. We’ve seen wives ignore pornography, and have reported that it’s stopped if it was minor and everything else in the home/work/life was functioning healthfully, AND the husband felt respected. Sometimes “use” comes and goes a bit, but if the wife is affirming and encouraging and building him up as a man in every other area, sometimes the usage stops. I like this verse, but in application to the husband here, as we ladies are not sinless, either: John 8:4-11 They said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. …In other words, maybe the “judge not” rule may apply…
  5. Option 5: Actively choose to engage in conflict by factually, calmly sharing with him how this affects you, because it is a SIN against you. This is what we call the Matthew 18 response, because you are considered, “one flesh,” and sexual immorality is a sin against the body. There are also a few conditions – 1) Matthew 18 is employed when there is sin committed against you, and in this case, there has; but we also often miss the second, 2) have witnesses come with you – which means they need to have seen the behavior. These are not just people you’ve complained to – those are not witnesses. So if your teenager has walked in on your husband and his computer, technically, yes, you could involve him or her (pray over this, first, please, and only consider it if your teen is exceptionally mature and you feel led to involve him or her). But start with just you and your husband, as it would be extremely hard for him to deal with both of you first. Another option would be if your husband knows this is wrong behavior, does it any way, but agrees to talk about it with a counselor.  In this case, a male, Christian counselor might be the best choice, as men learn more easily from other men – and unless your husband requests this, don’t make the counselor your father.  He’ll be biased, and your husband may be resentful.  Matthew 18:15-17 reads: “If your brother sins again you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Matthew 5 also comes into play, as you don’t want to wait: “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.” I have known women who have followed this and it’s positively impacted their marriages. Know, however, that if your approach is judgmental, condescending, and unloving, it may just create more of the same behavior. We recommend only engaging in conflict when you have full emotional control, so talk it with your past or wise Titus woman first, to get control of those emotions! Remember, it’s not about you. J
  6. Option 6: Accept his struggle as yours as well (thinking like “one flesh”), and walk along-side him if he’s addicted, perhaps encouraging him to join Celebrate Recovery, Gateway Men, *http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com (*update) or start here at Focus On The Family’s website. This may involve discussions that aren’t demeaning that result in the installation of NetNanny, Covenant Eyes, and BeSafe software, as extra helps, as may getting rid of the cable or satellite tv. Because there is a ton of research about how pornography use can easily become an addiction similar to a drug or alcohol one, we recommend thinking of it like that, as opposed to an issue that is rooted in negative feelings toward the wife – which is almost never the case.
  7. Option 7: Pray. This should be done in combination with ALL of the above. Pornography usage does not have to destroy your marriage, and it can be something God uses to help others overcome their own addiction. We are called to carry each other’s burdens, and sometimes, prayer is the only way to deal with the hurts involved.
  8. Option 8: Be respectful. Yeah, I know. Oh boy. REALLY hard to do when you feel like he’s not worthy of that respect, unless you are so filled in relationship with God that you can see your husband the way Jesus does… I don’t know about you, but I would be devastated if my husband was unloving when I was fat. Yes, I know gluttony is a sin, but I wanted him to love me anyway, in spite of being overweight – and there’ve been times when it’s been a real struggle for me to be a healthy weight. And yes, I know that pornography is sexual immorality, which is a big deal to God… but so is idolatry, and I’ve certainly spent more time on His throne that I care to admit. Know that ultimately, God is in charge of when your husband overcomes – and while you are not responsible for your husband’s use of pornography, as wives, we can create an environment where the temptation is less. One of the things men say over and over about the attraction of internet porn is that there is a complete lack of condescension – that to the woman staring back at him, he can do no wrong, that she looks at him with approval, he’s so very tempted by her approval. Am I sending that message to my husband?

Ouch.

I know some of the above sounds a little contradictory, but only because it depends on where your husband is in his walk with God, and what the Lord would have you do. There is no formula. I know, bummer, right? I wish I could give you a 1-2-3- step process to walk through that would solve everything, but nothing works that way.  This is a tough topic, one that many marriages struggle with for years, even decades.  Know there is no quick fix and easy solution for many.  :(

I know if you are hurting, you are probably disappointed with my answer, but please remember, dear sister, please remember – God can use even THIS to grow His relationship with both of you – and that is worth everything. A dear friend of mine once told me, “My husband’s choice of pornography over me is the reason I have such a vibrant relationship with God – no one else could fully understand how deeply he hurt me, and so I wept in the Father’s arms. He held me when my husband should have. Being on the other side of all of that now, I can tell you that I am thankful.”

Wow.

Lord, please free the husbands caught in this snare, and God, oh, God, please help us grow our relationship with You, may we seek You deeply in all situations. Help us know what You would have us do, help us respond, help us create, help us be the wives that delight you. Help us be like Christ, Lord, loving those who don’t deserve it – our husbands are those people, as are we…Father, protect our children from this hideous and evil thing called pornography…in Jesus’ name, amen.

The main point is to know what the Bible is saying, grow your relationship with God such that you know, moment to moment, what He wants you to do – even if it goes badly or doesn’t “solve the problem,” you’ll know you are walking in His will, which is the absolute best place to be, regardless of what you are dealing with.

It’s enough.

Please feel free to add resources, thoughts, etc., in a respectful way.  Dare you to at least pray for those who are struggling, and consider sharing to encourage others.

Thankful to be on the journey with you, praying you aren’t struggling, but love to you if you are facing this – know you are not alone.

~Nina


In Pursuit of Forbidden Fruit…

“I don’t know why I did it,” my friend cried to me. “I never started with this in mind…it was just so nice to have someone paying attention to me, saying nice things to me, caring what I thought for once,” she continued.

“Is it over?” I asked her.

“Yes,” she replied.

“How far did things go?” I asked her.

“Far enough, but not sexually,” she said.

“Have you told your husband?” I asked her.

“Not yet, but I plan to, God help me,” she sobbed.

My friend spent months dismantling the foundation of her marriage as she fantasized about a relationship with another man she worked with…and he started to respond romantically to her “friendship,” and before too many weeks had passed, looks were exchanged, touches occurred, and then there was a kiss.

The ball was rolling.

The “adulterous woman” in Proverbs 2 tempts women, too. Sometimes she shows up in the romance novel that caused my friend to compare her current stoic husband to the chivalrous hero in the books (that he’ll never be, btw – they call it “fiction” for a reason). Soon, dissatisfaction occurred within her marriage of epic proportions. She’d watched a few too many “romantic” movies – and somehow forgot that real life doesn’t have “second takes.”

And there, but for the grace of God, go I, as well. I know I could be tempted by these things, too. So I don’t read the books, and I don’t watch romance movies. Ever.

One of my accountability partners (yes, I have several, all for different things) who is helping me with organizational issues, told me recently, “Nina, your lack of organizational abilities is simple. You don’t have any standards. You are thin because you aggressively manage the standards you have set for your weight and exercise. Your office is a wreck because you won’t create and keep standards for it.”

I love it that I have people in my life that love me enough to tell me the Truth, and don’t buy my excuses.

So I’m working on standards, as I clean up the mess. For my weight, I have a range of about 10 pounds that I’m fine with fluctuating within. I have a range of exercising (3-6 times a week) that I can fluctuate within. For my office, I will have a range of days per week that I spend a minimum of 15 minutes dealing with papers that I’d rather never see again.

Rather than waiting for a mess to be created, or so much weight put on that it takes serious effort to lose, we need to take Paul’s advice in 1 Corinthians 10:13-15 and flee from temptations. Choosing to go to certain websites, read certain books, watch movies that cause us to have romantic thoughts about people we’re not married to, these things are all soul rotting sins – for we are influenced by whatever we choose to fill our minds with.

Dare you today to think about what you think about. Double-dog-dare you to subscribe or share with a friend, asking them to do the same.  Triple-dog-dare you to confess and repent, and accept the forgiveness God gives you, remembering that you can tell if it’s repentance if you change your behavior.

May God bless you in your pursuit of righteousness and wisdom.

Thankful for the journey!

~Nina